Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atrocities in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

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The result was delete. Not a proper disambiguation page. RL0919 (talk) 22:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Atrocities in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

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This is a disambiguation page that isn't really a disambiguation page. "Atrocities in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine" is not a very plausible search term; the only similarly-titled content page is Atrocities in the Congo Free State, an article about a case where "atrocities" is a term in widespread canonical use by academics. Here, of the 5 articles linked, 2 (Allegations of child abductions in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and Sexual violence in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine) do not use the words "atrocity" or "atrocities" at all, and a third (Torture in Ukraine) does not use it in the context of the 2022 invasion, meaning that all 3 fail MOS:DABMENTION and thus Wikipedia:Original research. Of the remaining two, Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine is a subtopic of War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, so I don't think anything needs to be disambiguated here. Delete or redirect to War crimes article. If there is a higher-level article to be written on the topic than the War crimes article (at this title or, perhaps better, a title like Human rights during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine), it should be written as a proper article, not a DAB trying to do the work of an article. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 21:47, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Disambiguations, Russia, and Ukraine. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 21:47, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

• Keep  “‘Atrocity crimes’ is the umbrella term used to describe genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and aggression — all of which have distinct legal definitions, thresholds and political weight.” —Marco Poggio, “Call It Genocide? The Debate Over Labeling Ukraine Atrocities,” Law 360, May 6, 2022. This disambiguation page captures a valid academic subject by its main search terms. —Michael Z. 22:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

  And genocide is not a subtopic of war crimes: there exist genocides without war and war crimes without genocide. —Michael Z. 02:00, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

  Then write a higher-level article that covers both in summary style. This isn't a search term meriting a disambiguation page—which are purely navigational aids, not encyclopedic content. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 02:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

• Redirect to War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. This article has no merit as a standalone list independent of War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. MarioGom (talk) 08:07, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

  Are you certain that all possible crimes against humanity and violations of the Genocide Convention committed by the Russian state are war crimes? —Michael Z. 23:59, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. Not a valid disambiguation page. I'm opposed to a redirect as well because of the non-neutral title. SpinningSpark 18:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

  How is this title non-neutral? The source I quoted above attests that these are all categorized as atrocities in International law. —Michael Z. 00:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

• Delete: An opinionated list and certainly not a dab page. —VersaceSpace 🌃 19:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
• Delete. Not a valid disambiguation page. Perhaps the contents could be split in two: some of the contents added to the relevant warcrimes page, and any that might remain put into a new List of Non-WarCrime Atrocities ... ? Radzy0 (talk) 00:47, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.